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Kummer agreed, but added, "He loves RVing and camping -- and loves to play with them. He's still going to tinker, and we tied him to an agreement so he's our tinkerer too."

So who is this man who has been quietly leading the company working in the shadow of one of the most important pioneers of the industry. We found him to be a warm, outgoing man with a friendly manner and keen sense of humor. He laughs easily and is candid in expressing his thoughts about the industry and the company.

Fleetwood is among the strongest companies in America, and holds a dominant position within the RV and manufactured housing industries. About one in four travel trailers bought in the United States comes from the Fleetwood family of products, and in the motorized area Fleetwood is even stronger ­ one out of three motorhomes sold is a Fleetwood brand product. So we can readily see the results of Kummer's work and leadership, but what about the man and how did he get to where he is today.

Let's start with his love of the outdoors which gives him a natural affinity with the owners of Fleetwood RVs.

"First of all you must understand that I came from a family in Utah," Kummer told RV News. "My father was a hunter and fisherman. Every spring when fishing season started, we were camping in a tent and he was fishing ­ all summer long. It started somewhere around the first of May and ended in September. It was an exception for us not to be camping. I grew up really appreciating camping, fishing and the outdoors."

Kummer graduated with honors from the University of Utah in 1961, majoring in accounting and minoring in economics. Afterwards, he moved to California and became a licensed Certified Public Account (CPA) and went to work for Ernst & Ernst. A friend and classmate who had come west with Kummer and also worked for Ernst & Ernst had done the audit on Fleetwood.

Kummer recalled, "Fleetwood at that time had a process where they would steal people from the public accounting firms. Arthur Anderson got tired of it and told them to stop the recruiting, so he called over to Ernst & Ernst and talked to me. They wanted to know if I knew of anybody that was interested in joining Fleetwood. I said, 'How about me?"

And the rest, as they say, is history. Well, not quite. Kummer had some decisions to make. He continued, "I heard a professor in 1960-61 say, 'As a CPA, if you ever get to the point where you make $10,000 a year, you've arrived. So in 1965 I had just got a raise to $950 a month. In those days, I had pretty much arrived.

"Back then Fleetwood's policy was to start everyone off at a trainee salary -- $125 per week. It was a good policy -- it divided the wheat from the chaff.

"If you wanted to come to work for Fleetwood the first thing they asked was would you relocate. They were going to grow so you had to be willing to move.

"And the second thing was you came in as a trainee and the salary was very low."

He laughed and added, "I got $135 because I was a CPA and they thought that I could learn their accounting system."

In 1967 Kummer was promoted to purchasing manager in Anaheim, CA.

"I did not start out to ever become president or chief executive officer of this company. I started off wanting to become a plant general manager.

"A plant general manager at Fleetwood had a great job and a good opportunity. He was like an entrepreneur. The company would give you the money and you would go out with your plan and you had the responsibility ­ it was your business. I always wanted to do something like that."

Kummer's dream came true when Fleetwood asked him to go to Oregon and open an RV plant in Pendleton.

His success at Pendleton gained notice and two years later, Fleetwood promoted Kummer to Division General Manager ­ Recreational Vehicles. And in just a few years he continued to climb up the ladder ­ Assistant Vice President - Operations in 1971, Senior Vice President ­ Operations in 1972, Executive Vice President - Operations in 1977, and President and Chief Operating Officer in 1982. Then in 1983 he was elected to the board of directors.

Under Kummer's leadership, Fleetwood has enjoyed it's greatest successes. He started on the RV side of the business and has always had a love for the RV products and the lifestyle it helps promote. He said, "I would take RVing trips and check out the units, but I don't do that as much anymore. One of the exciting things for me was going on motorhome trips with John Crean. Many times a lot of our discussions about strategy took place on these camping trips."

When you talk to Kummer about Fleetwood's success, he doesn't point to Wall Street, although the company has enjoyed success there. He's more apt to bring up Fleetwood's commitment to customer satisfaction, a commitment he helped develop.

Kummer said, "When I was divisional general manager, I received a letter from a customer. He said, 'Bought one of your trailers. I was in New York and the holding tank fell down.'

"Think of the mess. He picked it all up, put it in his trailer and headed to our factory. Our plant general manager said, 'Take that back to the dealer ­ that's the dealer's responsibility.'

"I've used that example many times. Think of all the customers who got that treatment and didn't want anymore to do with our industry.

"When I came into the industry, it was popular to say that we 'built to industry standards.' Today, at Fleetwood we try to build to customer standards.

"One of the things I really enjoy is that annually we measure customer satisfaction. We recognize every plant that meets our target at 90 percent. We will go out and have a breakfast or lunch together; we will have jackets and mementoes for those that win. The highlight for me is being able to shake their hands and tell them thank you for a good job. And we have a national champion in each of the groups. And the national champ will get a wristwatch that says they are the national champions. continued

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